Now, I'm a sucker for Rockwell parodies, but the posting's title bothered me: Merry Christmas, Ya'll.
You all. Take out the "o" and the "u, put an apostrophe in their place, and then squish everything together: y'all. Not ya'll. Y'all.
Simple, but apparently hard for some people to understand. In 1996, when the Olympic games brought the world to
The publicists on
Anyway, seeing that title this morning reminded me of a couple years ago, when I came across "ya'll" in a John Grisham novel. Grisham, who lives near
The Oxford English Dictionary (OED) is generally considered the definitive authority to English usage. It cites, for every sense of every word, at least one example taken from the literary record. In fact, the OED tries to offer the earliest use of the word, followed by other examples from later years.
According to the OED, the first appearance of "y'all" was in 1909, much later than I expected. I couldn't believe the word hadn't appeared in print long before that. A quick check of the New York Times, from its first publication in 1851 to the present (not nearly as big a deal as it sounds; the Times was recently digitized, creating a searchable database that allows a researcher to type any word and within seconds have a citation to every mention of that word in the newspaper's history), uncovered "y'all" in 1886, in a rather rude article titled "Odd Southernisms": "'You all,' or, as it should be abbreviated, 'y'all,' is one of the most ridiculous of all the Southernisms I can call to mind." There it was, over twenty years earlier than the OED's first citation.
But I wasn't satisfied. Another new resource, American Periodicals Series, is a searchable database of over a thousand American magazines published between 1740 and 1900. Again, with just a few seconds' work, I came across a citation to the Southern Literary Messenger from 1858. The piece was written by "Mozis Addums," penname of George William Bagby, one of the humorists of the mid-nineteenth century who thought spelling everything phonetically was funny. Mozis described the crowded conditions in the boarding house where he was living: "Packin uv pork in a meet house, which you should be keerful it don't git hot at the bone, and prizin uv tobakker, which y'all's Winstun nose how to do it, givs you a parshil idee, but only parshil."
Well, I'm not exactly sure what it means, either, but there it is, over half a century before the esteemed OED caught it--and not just "y'all" itself, but the possessive, "y'all's," with two glorious apostrophes!
Linguist Michael Montgomery claims that "y'all" goes back to the Scots-Irish phrase "ye aw," and he offers as evidence a letter written in 1737 by an Irish immigrant in
Whatever its origin, the word serves an important function in English. We have separate singular and plural first person pronouns ("I" and "we") and third person pronouns ("he"/"she" and "they"), but there is no distinction in the second person; "you" is both singular and plural. The distinction between the French "tu" (singular) and "vous" (plural) doesn't exist in English. It did until a few centuries ago: "thou" was singular, "you" plural. But by the time the American colonies won their independence, "thou" had practically disappeared and "you" was serving a double function. It's almost as if we're missing a pronoun now, and "y’all" admirably fills the second person plural position.
And through most of the South, it is plural. Unless someone is intentionally misusing it for effect, "y'all" seldom refers to just one person. The problem is, lots of folks have intentionally misused it, from the makers of movies and television shows with exaggerated southern characters (often for purposes of ridicule) to the writers of those ubiquitous little books with titles like "Advice for Yankees Moving South": "Remember, 'y'all' is singular. 'All y'all' is plural. 'All y'all's' is plural possessive."
Here's how Lewis Grizzard handled the situation: "For some unknown reason, Northerners think Southerners use 'y'all' and 'you all' in the singular sense. Northerners will giggle and ask, 'So where are you all from?' I answer by saying, 'I all is from
Anyway, I wrote up a brief article about the two examples I had found that pre-dated the OED's earliest citation and got it published in American Speech, probably the biggest journal for American linguistics. (Hey, publish or perish, you know.) Not bad for a few minutes' work.
And now y'all know all you need to know about "y'all."
UPDATE: see Beat at my own game!
20 comments:
Correction duly noted! :-D Thanks...heavens forbid I continue on in ignorance! BTW - love you blog.
Very nice. I would point out there's another issue: "all y'all".
Kinky Friedman once said: Remember: Y'all is singular. All y'all is plural. All y'all's is plural possessive.
Now Kinky was trying to be funny, but I always felt "y'all" and "all y'all" are both plural, however "all y'all" is used to emphasize inclusion (i.e. I mean everybody, even that guy who stumbled drunk into the barbecue) or size ("all y'all" being highly appropriate in, for example, stadium settings).
I'd love to hear what you can dig up on "all y'all".
And here I was told that y'all was wrong! Glad I've been saying and typing it correctly. ;)
Kat
I'm so glad you posted this! I think you've even persuaded Cass of the correct spelling! The regional colloquialisms are so much a part of our Southern identity. It's imparative that it's done rightly when y'all pass it on to the next generation.
Thank you! Have you noticed how many non-southerners are using the word nowdays -- and not in a mocking way?! We must be ever-vigilant with both spelling and tense. :)
I'm willing to say you can go either way, depending on how you are using it. Fair enough? I am actually guilty of using it both ways, depending.
Thanks for joining us, and I hope you'll contribute again.
nice! I never looked this up but I probably would have eventually. Thanks for doing it for me LOL Love the post <3
You should have said, "every piece of me is from Atlanta" LOL
I misspelled ya'll once and was corrected and given a Texas grammar lesson by a coworker. I will never forget "y'all" again. Never thought about the plural. Perhaps we should publish a "guide to y'all."
I liked the comment on Kinky. I was truly hoping he would be the next Texas governor. But, no, we have Perry for a third term. Aaaccckkkk!
"Packin uv pork in a meet house, which you should be keerful it don't git hot at the bone, and prizin uv tobakker, which y'all's Winstun nose how to do it, givs you a parshil idee, but only parshil." = "It stinks sort of like the smell of rancid pork mixed with tobacco smoke, but worse."
Oh, and when I greet customers at McD's, I generally say, "Hey! Hare y'all doin'?"
I loved that...but I have always said ya'll.
And for the record...I voted for Kinky, too.
"Ya'll" is correct when it means "ya will", as in "Ya'll be sorry!" But yes, it's usually a misspelling of "y'all".
Doesn't "all y'all" just mean "all of you"? I don't think it's a separate pronoun.
Barry Popik has found citations for y'all dating to 1856-57, from Alfred W. Arrington's novel The Rangers and Regulators of the Tanaha, or Life Among the Lawless: A Tale of the Republic of Texas.
Ben, Thanks for passing on the citation from Barry Popik. He's got me beat!
I was taught from the pulpit that y'all is singular and small-plural, and all y'all is the larger plural. Somewhere around 4 or 5 people you switch between using y'all and all y'all. And Benton was from down around Hattisburg, and should know.
My folks are from Arkansas and Oklahoma, and I never heard any of them use y'all for one person. But maybe they do things different over y'all's way.
Though y'all would be technically correct (since the word is a contraction of "you" and "all"), where I'm from there is no such word as "you", it's "ya". Thus, the contraction "ya'll" would also be correct, as it is a contraction of "ya" and "all". ;) And then there's "yas". As in, "how are yas?" ;)
Like dave and others have stated, "y'all" is not singular. "Y'all" is referring to a small group of people (typically the persons currently present but may include others, such as a spouse or immediate family members) and "all y'all" is referring to a larger collective.
Now we just gotta cover you-uns ;)
In his novel The Hornet's Nest (yes that Jimmy Carter) he has his characters using y'all in the 1750's, which is what brought me here. Actually, I believe he spells it ya'll.
On another note, in Texas but nowhere else in the South, I often heard "you all" in place of y'all.
Here in North Carolina I have heard "yall'uns" in place of "all y'all."
In Texas, sometimes people use ya'll for ya all.
Y'all is PLURAL. NEVER singular.
H.L. Mencken determined this back in 1947, and he's smarter than the whole crackerbarrel full of y'all.
Y'all is the contraction of "You All", which rednecks have long used as the plural form of You, because you are too stupid to differentiate the two from usage alone. Oops, I used "you" as a plural and probably confused your tiny little redneck brains.
When you use "Y'all" as a singular, you are defeating the very intent of the original word, which was obviously and specifically intended to convey the PLURAL of the second person.
The phrase "All Y'all" would be REDUNDANT as a plural, as it is a contraction of the phrase "All You All".
It is my understanding that "All Y'all" is NOT the plural of You, but is intended to convey the agreement of all the people who are referenced by "Y'all".
This is just another fine example of why you rednecks continue to need us Damn Yankees to show you how to do things correctly. I doubt you can spell or pronounce etymology, much less know what it means.
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